Our Man in Ajmer
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shrikant
whydoyoucare
I had the same feeling, the review is fantastic!
gumby
> …complex game of political chess being played by Nur Jahan with her rival and stepson, Shah Jahan
For some context, Shah Jahan is best known outside India as the king who commissioned and spent his fortune on the Taj Mahal.
The description in the review drives home how when the British arrived, India was about a third of world GDP, Britain, not so much.
sudhirc
> The description in the review drives home how when the British arrived, India was about a third of world GDP, Britain, not so much.
India's GDP share was much higher before the invading Mughal invasion started so they were part of the problem. See Angus Madison's historical list of the ten largest countries by GDP.
Karrot_Kream
I hope you enjoyed hijacking a thread about Shah Jahan for your silly Hindu nationalist goals of spreading doubts about Muslim rule. I'm sorry but no matter how much you do that, Shah Jahan will not stop being a historic figure.
sudhirc
Am I contesting the historicity of Shah Jahan? On contrary, I am contesting the statement of the article which tries to portray that India was made rich by Mughals.
Silliness actually lies in your knee jerk reaction.
selimthegrim
Surely you’ve read Irfan Habib on Mughal revenue system?
jim_inont
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selimthegrim
On the contrary I am recommending him. His methodology is the standard for evaluating if and how Mughals were exploiting peasants.
sudhirc
Both senior and junior Habibs are known to whitewash the Islamic invasion and paint a rosy picture of their rule. Their body of work is full of their own biases. Most of the time they fail to provide the primary sources.
What they do not explain this: Let's assume invaders(Muslims and Christians) came from outside, attacked, raped,killed only to make India a prosperous nation. But why they failed to do it to their native place?
Who in their right mind would believe this fiction propagated by the apologists?
selimthegrim
You do know that he is a Marxist right
sudhirc
Why a Marxist would need to defend Muslim invasions? He is one of the many charlatans who posed as Marxist only to advance their agenda of Muslim glorification.
There are many such examples. Famous script writer Javed Akhtar propagated his faith,degraded other faiths and yet declared himself an atheist. How convenient?
selimthegrim
How did Javed Akhtar propagate his faith?
sudhirc
Watch classics like Janjir or Sholey to understand it yourself. Some jems:
- Batch no 786 saves life but Hindu idols are lifeless with no power.
- Namaz is good but idol worship is waste of resources.
- Muslim are true to their religion but Hindus are greedy.
- Any Sikh has to be joker.
Karrot_Kream
Shah Jahan was the 3rd Mughal Emperor and one of the 4 great Mughal rulers. At the time the Mughal empire was much wealthier than England, though Europeans had been in India for a long time now. Arguing over what GDP means doesn't really matter for setting the context of Shah Jahan's empire. It's not like contemporaries at the time had a precise method of measuring these things either.
spaceman_2020
Shah Jahan also commissioned the Red Fort, still the nominal seat of Indian power - the site of all presidential addresses on Independence Day.
valarauko
The Prime Minister makes the speech. Plus nobody would regard the Red Fort as the nominal seat of Indian Power. The vast majority of Indians would only think of the fort as the site of the Prime Minister's speech, if at all.
DiscourseFan
I've posted this elsewhere, but not only is historical GDP hard to measure, if we are going by consumer spending, societies that developed Capitalism in the 18th and 19th centuries would dwarf the GDP of every other society in the world. One reason that the British were so successful in colonizing other countries is that the scale of production became so vast, crops so cheap, that food prices shot down and population began to boom: they literally had to export people.
And for all that, London, at the height of British power, had pollution so bad that it was unlivable, in the colder months the smog could choke you out it was so dense. Because they had people living in such close conditions, hygiene was non-existent, and only the rich were able to avoid the putrid underbelly of the working-class city. Well, I happen to know of some other cities with booming populations at the beginnings of industrial capitalism that may have the same problems...I don't live in India myself, but I would say most Indians would be happy if the GDP was cut in half, if they could have clean air and drinking water. But if its all about GDP, then I guess the British are in many ways responsible for lowering the overall "GDP" of 18th century South Asian countries (there was no India until the British showed up, and even before partition it was just called "Hindustan"). But the great industries of India today, and the conditions of working people, that has nothing to do with the British, even though it matters far more than how some Raj lived 300 years ago.
vs4vijay
I am from Ajmer, India. Good to see my city name here. :)
ratherlongname
I don't know when and how I'll ever stop being salty about the colonial powers that absolutely looted my country.
jim_inont
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HexDecOctBin
For those who don't know, the Aryan Invasion/Colonisation Theory has been thoroughly debunked; and is almost universally understood to be a fabrication of the British to justify their extractive exploitation of India. Any historical text written in the last few decades covering ancient India will attest to this.
Today, it is referred to only by racists and colonialism apologists. jim_inont seems to be one.
jim_inont
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dang
> My advice to technical leaders and everybody else dealing with Indians is to be careful
I'm late to this thread, but you can't post racial, national, or ethnic slurs to HN, regardless of which group you have a problem with.
As this account has been used exclusively for nationalistic/religious battle, I've banned it. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with.
deodar
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dang
I'm late to this thread, but your comment also broke the site guidelines.
"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."
deodar
I am also late to your response dang, however I believe you need certain level of karma to flag.
dang
The threshold is 30. It's not hard to get to that level.
In any case, please don't post any more inflammatory comments or feed any more flamewars.
deodar
Acknowledged.
jim_inont
Instead of beating around the bush, address the problems at hand. Lots of people can't read your code words, when you leave your comments, but I can.
Here is modern description of Brahmin Elitism By Prof Amy Vax https://twitter.com/Hakicat/status/1642631554554900480
kk58
Try harder the racism feels underpowered
jim_inont
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jim_inont
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This is one of those reviews that is so well-executed that I almost don't want to read the actual book because it may not actually live up to the quality of the review.