The Lord of the Rings Family Tree

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1/20/1970
a month ago
by EndXA

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kelnos

This is fantastic! I read the Silmarillion when I was in high school, and while it was a bit difficult to get through at times, I was in complete awe of the world Tolkien had built. Seeing it all laid out like this is amazing.

(OT, but it looks like the page's character encoding is broken. And of course Firefox decided to ditch the ability to set the correct charset manually. The "Repair Text Encoding" button isn't working for me.)

a month ago

em500

The trick to reading the Silmarillion is to not read it from front to back, but first part 3 (Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age), then part 2 (Akallabeth) and only then part 1 (Quenta Silmarillion). Part 3 is a super condensed version of LOTR.

a month ago

satiric

Would you still read the Ainulindalë and Valaquenta first, or would you save those for last?

I would also add that the chapter "Of Beleriand and its Realms" is OK to skip if it's not your thing, especially on a first read. It's mostly just describing what's on the map (of course it's still well written in Tolkien's prose). There are plenty of people that enjoy it, and there are plenty that don't.

a month ago

kelnos

I doubt I'll ever read it again, but if I do, I'll try to remember this :)

a month ago

geokon

Did Tolkein somehow keep track of all this in his head, or did he draw family trees himself?

And are there any examples of mistakes in LOTR where he messes up the chronology or anything like that?

a month ago

allturtles

There's a wiki page about inconsistencies: https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Possible_inconsistencies_in_...

a month ago

epilys

An inconsistency Tolkien "solved" is most notably Glorfindel. The name was used twice in early drafts so he decided to merge those two persons even though they appears eras apart, and the first one had died. He did it by introducing the concept of reincarnation for the elves.

a month ago

injb

Whenever that kind if thing happens, a wizard did it.

a month ago

labster

No need to bring magic in. Tolkien might have made a mistake in translating the original Quenya, or perhaps there were transcription errors among the Noldorin scribes. Other histories have these same problems.

a month ago

emmanueloga_

Kinda related, it looks like there are a few new(ish?) "world building tools" for fiction authors now. Would be cool if authors started using these and made the databases available together with the works.

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https://chronographer.net

https://www.campfirewriting.com/

https://www.notebook.ai/

a month ago

deeg

Tolkien created such a massive world. Languages, mythology, genealogies, and thousands of years of history. We are richer for it.

a month ago

Solvency

As are LLMs.

a month ago

lasc4r

In like 15 mins I learned that Perin had a child that he named Farmir and that Aragorn (II) is a descendant of Elrond's twin brother who were both just half-elves themselves as their parents were both half-elven. And between Elrond and Aragorn there's like 60 generations of men.

Never really been interested in LotR lore, but I've read them multiple times and seen the movies many more times. Never seemed worth the times and sounded like dry work compared to the novels, but yeah this is pretty cool!

a month ago

ChrisArchitect

Launched in 2012, Wired did a feature on it with some exclusive infographics:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120911120029/http://wired.com/...

a month ago

readyplayernull

For some reason none of them wanted to take the name of an ancestor. Antigraphiphobia?

a month ago

icegreentea2

As siblings noted, there are some sprinkled through, particularly as the ages advance.

The out of universe answer is probably that Tolkien probably very much enjoyed making up these names, as an exercise in playing with and building his languages and world. He likely would have only fallen back to numbers either when truly and deeply stumped (I don't think this really would have happened often), or to signal something.

I also believe you can also see some of the Old English influence on Tolkien here. If you look at the Anglo-Saxon Kings, you see relatively little re-use of names. Instead (going off the top) you get Egbert, Ethelwulf, Ethelbald, Ethelbert.

a month ago

Aeolun

I think it's pretty convenient that a name is unique. At least in living memory anyway.

a month ago

082349872349872

It's also convenient when they're one-to-one; russian names, nicknames, and patronymics in stories are infamous for failure to be injective.

a month ago

epilys

Tolkien (or his son Christopher) had said that names are meant to be unique in this world. See the matter of Glorfindel.

a month ago

hiccuphippo

It would be inconvenient for the long lived races.

a month ago

mholt

Aragorn II did.

a month ago

dsq

Maybe they called him AJ in his youth.

a month ago

yobbo

The hobbits have family names.

a month ago

082349872349872

Durin VII?

a month ago

danjl

Aha! A free domain name generator! Not sure why this post was mis-titled?

a month ago

mholt

This site makes me glad to have a 49" wide monitor. (Click around to the various projections: maps, statistics, etc. Very interesting!)

a month ago

XeO3

Balrog is missing. Not sure, if it's its own race or belongs to demon category.

a month ago

lotrjohn

The Balrogs (Sindarin for ‘Demon of Might’; Quenya Valarauko) were Maiar (“Ainur of lesser degree than the Valar”). Other Maiar were Gandalf, Sauron, Melian. Gothmog and “Durin’s Bane” are the only two named.

Basically bad Maiar.

a month ago

julesnp

Balrogs would be under the Maiar category, but most have no recorded name. I suppose the one from the trilogy could have been listed as "Durin's Bane."

a month ago

zabzonk

gothmog, lord of balrogs? not in lotr though.

a month ago

penteract

The Balrogs were Maiar, a category that includes the wizards (Gandalf, Saruman, etc.) and Sauron. The Balrog Gothmog is there, but not the one that appears in the Fellowship of the Ring, possibly because it isn't given a name.

a month ago

pvaldes

Wow, Sam has been really busy after putting a ring on it

a month ago

incompatible

Evidently there are quite a few backstories waiting to be filled in.

a month ago

runarberg

See also the Donald Duck Family Tree

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_family_(Disney)#Family_tr... (though I prefer the illustrated version by Don Rosa)

a month ago

Aeolun

The progenitors of Aragorn had a thing for the letter A.

a month ago

Octopodes

Why is this so wide? It's barely usable.

a month ago

huytersd

It’s beautiful lore. At the same time it’s just so Nordic and old world, it’s hard to feel euphoric about it like a Northern European would.

a month ago

sandos

As an (amateur) geneaologist I at once started looking for loops, and I was not disappointed. There seems to be some "endogamy" here, at least very distant cousin marriage.

I wonder if any book has actual, believable endogamy due to geographical constraints?

a month ago

OscarCunningham

The funny thing is that because he elves are immortal it's possible for Aragorn to marry his first cousin, sixty two times removed.

a month ago

roydivision

Beautiful site!

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