StreetComplete: Fixing OpenStreetMap, one tiny quest at a time
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wafflemaker
maelito
One of these viewpoints maybe ?
wafflemaker
Found it! It's on the southern exit from the Mjelva village. Viewpoint is not marked. It felt like a quite a private place, so I don't really want to post more details.
Someone dedicated can still easily find it.
maelito
You're right. Last holidays, I went to beautiful place in Spain. A way covered in Ferns was marked as an OSM path. I guess it was, but did not get cut this year or the later. So we tried and failed 30 m after.
It's important to keep some mysteries despite precise maps.
That's why I'm at the same time fascinated by 3D "splats", but also worried to be spoiled.
They're great for places we already know (inspect your roof's shape for instance), but they spoil discovery.
a_c
Last week I discovered apple's own photogrammetry library. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/realitykit/creatin...
I used it to reconstruct a 3D mesh of a bouldering wall. It worked perfectly. No gaussian splatting involved. I think the boundary between virtual and real world does get thinner by the day
lapetitejort
I got into OSM and StreetComplete to flesh out intersections, stop signs, and sidewalks in my area. I always felt like I was doing something wrong though. I created crosswalks, then OSM would prompt me to connect the crosswalk to the road via a crossing. In StreetComplete, it felt like I was filling in duplicate data. I had to add whether the crossing had crossing lights not only at the middle crossing, but on the sides as well. This probably doesn't make any sense.
Basically, I am never confident I am editing OSM correctly. Am I supposed to manually draw out sidewalks, or tag the road as having a sidewalk? After adding sidewalks in my area, StreetComplete is now asking me if roads have sidewalks, which I clearly see on the map. Reminds me of editing the various Wiki pages. There's several ways of documenting something, only one way is correct, and it's undocumented.
edit: after playing with StreetComplete more, I noticed you can mark sidewalks as displayed separately. This is tagged as "sidewalk:both=separate" on the road. Whether this is the right way to do things I do not know
Ajedi32
Usually in OSM there are several different ways to map things, to varying levels of detail. (E.g. As you discovered, you can just tag a road as having sidewalks, or trace out the actual sidewalks themselves.) Generally, as long as the information you're adding is accurate, you're helping. Changing tagging schemes later is a lot easier than re-discovering that information from scratch. If you're really concerned, usually the wiki has good information on what is currently considered best practice.
Incidentally, I think for crossings StreetComplete now only asks about the actual crossing nodes, so no more duplicate quests.
ygra
> think for crossings StreetComplete now only asks about the actual crossing nodes, so no more duplicate quests.
It can be confusing for roads where both sides are separated or where there is a traffic island in the middle. There you have two crossing nodes (and sometimes even the footway leading over the road). But in general, I think it is very hard to actually cause trouble with StreetComplete. Furthermore, not every single quest has to be answered, although they typically only exist if there is an obvious correct answer the vast majority of the time (to not annoy users).
Cider9986
When I'm unsure I make a note with a photo and someone who knows more looks into it.
orbital-decay
When in doubt, look for adjacent localities and do what the others are already doing. OSM is chaotic and (usually) driven by consensus that can be slightly different in specific communities.
westnordost
In regards to your edit: Yes, this is exactly correct.
aweb
I discovered that recently, it's a very fun way to contribute to OpenStreetMap, and the UI is really well-done, it's totally beginner friendly! I wish there was a way to do more than labeling though, like add simple roads and footpaths
eskori
I have used it one (1) time in my life, ans it was my first experience with OpenStreetMap in general. It was pretty fun!
It's very intuitive and makes you learn just how detailed and specific map data can be. Can't say much about missing features since I don't event know what can be done.
Recommended experience, it's like playing Pokemon Go without the evil part :)
hadi121
What's the "evil" part?
throw101010
Then again you produce public open-source data when you contribute to OSM, and nothing prevents the military from using it for morally questionable purposes... at the end of the day the only difference is the intermediary that could make a profit selling the data, no?
koolala
No, the huge difference is creating the good part. Where is the open data for the general public created from Pokemon GO? You can't stop the military using open data but that is on them. The evil is them getting your private data to have an exclusive advantage people have no control or transparency over.
black_puppydog
well, I sure don't get to have access to all the pokémon data even if I ask very nicely, do I? I'd think that's a (related but important) difference
hadi121
how am i just hearing about this, wow
Forgeties79
Niantic would sell your children’s social security numbers if they thought they’d get away with it.
Ajedi32
Usually if I need to add a footpath I use the "Create new track recording" feature to trace out the path with GPS, then come back to it later on desktop. Adding paths is pretty awkward to do on mobile, especially since there's no satellite overlay.
0l
FYI someone else has probably already traced this through Strava, which is allowed to be used for tracing: <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Strava#Data_Permission_-...>
nightpool
StreetComplete doesn't have satellite overlays, but both Vespucci and EveryDoor support viewing satellite overlay tiles!
KomoD
Though if you like StreetComplete and want aerial/satellite, there's SCEE, a fork of StreetComplete. I tried both Vespucci and EveryDoor, but neither is nearly as easy to use in my opinion.
black_puppydog
I've been mapping out shops, their contacts, cuisines (for restaurants), opening hours etc in my area. It's a lot of work and much of the information will actually simply not be available to me without a shop owner. So I'm trying to get some of them to update their own shop information. But I'm really struggling to find good arguments. Small shop owners often have quite stressful days already and taking even five minutes to update some information only makes sense if I can present them with a case that this will help their business.
Does anybody here know of ways that OSM data is used and products that people actually use to find businesses? I have heard rumors that Apple pulls data from OSM every now and again in areas where their own datasets are sparse. But do we have anything more meaningful or more concrete that would work in an area like France where data is not necessarily sparse in Apple's maps? (I'm saying this looking at Google Maps here in southern France where half of the shops that it displays just don't exist anymore for years...)
esperent
> So I'm trying to get some of them to update their own shop information. But I'm really struggling to find good arguments.
I did that for my business (a bakery). Spent ages on it, put in all the details I could think of. At the end of the process there seemed to be a requirement to send it you review so I did that. This was several months ago (probably six months), and it's never showed up.
I'm busy, and I have a thousand more useful things to do for my business. I'm very unlikely to try again.
On the other hand, if the process had been easier I'd probably have then gone on to adding other businesses in the area.
The actual business is listed, but with a slightly wrong name. But I can put that exact slightly wrong name into the search on openstreetmap.org right now and there's zero results.
Then I can manually zoom to the location (which is correct), see my business, tap on it... And nothing. It doesn't open. So given all of this, why would I bother with openstreetmaps as a business owner?
KomoD
Seems like a trend with your business, though:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36566783
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44364090
Banned from Google Maps, banned from Instagram...
esperent
Yep, both of those things actually happened, what's your point? I'd love to say we were just unlucky but unfortunately I think it's par for the course when running a small business these days. At least when I was researching how to fix these I found a lot of other people with similar problems and a while industry of YouTubers and bloggers claiming to show you how to fix it.
We got back on Google maps after a few weeks and haven't had any problems since. We never got back on Instagram and had to make a new account, although to be honest we've barely used it since our business pretty much all comes from Google maps.
thangalin
https://shufflenblues.com/location/
OSM is fantastic. I wanted a free, unencumbered map that matches the site's theme for ride sharing, billeting, and the venue location. The solution wasn't trivial, but at least it was possible. Couldn't imagine doing that with Google Maps.
earth-tattoo
It sucks that Google is probably using OSM data to check what they are missing and adding it to their maps, but we can't do vice versa. OSM should change their license to something like if you use our data, you have to make yours open as well.
JacobKfromIRC
The license seems to already require this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright/
Maybe I am misunderstanding the summary, but it says: "If you publicly use any adapted version of this database, or works produced from an adapted database, you must also offer that adapted database under the ODbL." <https://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/>
mips_avatar
Yeah the problem is what's considered an adapted database. If it was strict it would mean apps like Alltrails (which is 90% openstreetmaps data) would need to list their trailmaps as open databases, but they don't.
cwillu
The problem is that factual details aren't copyrightable in the first place, so no amount of licensing will prevent organizations with enough money to pay a lawyer from understanding this and using the data as they see fit. And on the flip side, those organizations can pay those same lawyers to write scary boilerplate to make it seem like their map data is “proprietary” and therefore “protected by copyright” even though it isn't.
bluGill
Maps Traditionally have a few intentional errors because those are copyright, in turn meaning if one is found you can sue for copyright violations.
cwillu
I know that's the common story, but I have never seen any actual court cases confirming that theory; certainly the recoverable damages from such copying such an error would be minuscule.
technothrasher
Wikipedia has an entry that lists a few court cases, mostly showing that this strategy, as you surmise, fails to stand up in court.
pteraspidomorph
> It sucks that Google is probably using OSM data to check what they are missing and adding it to their maps
If only. Maps are still super broken around where I live. I personally mapped everything in OSM (which thankfully is used by most third party services these days) a couple years ago, but Maps is still people's primary source for routing and traffic related stuff.
cwillu
Various driving/delivery apps ultimately use OSM data. Doordash and instacart both use it to various degrees via mapbox, for instasnce.
cube00
As evil as they are, it's hearting to see the delivery platforms are embracing OSM when they could probably afford to just pay for Google's Maps API.
It gives hope that Google/ESRI won't always be the dominant mapping platform, however OSM is still missing a lot of local businesses which the delivery platforms don't need as urgently as house numbers so there's less focus there.
patmorgan23
Lyft even pays people to contribute to OSM
krzyk
If google does that, then they do a poor job at that. In Europe OSM is way more detailed and up to date than Google Maps.
GreyStache
Change that to definitely. I added a brand-new road on OSM and a week later it was on google maps.
plorg
On the other hand, I've been trying to submit changes to Google for several new and vacated roads for over a year (having already updated OSM) and they are constantly rejected. I suspect it is much more that their updates are responsive to car traffic. The segments I'm submitting are or were low-traffic although they include a road that a local municipality has directed people to in official communication for overflow yard waste after some big, recent storms.
juliangmp
I had a similar experience with Google Maps, I used to live in a place where the house on Google maps was located on the wrong street, like one parallel street off. I put in a few requests from time to time because deliveries were a huge pain, to no avail. I opened a thread on some Google forum or support place and then it was mentioned that I actually can't change that because only the city is allowed to... why I get the option in the app I don't fully understand. At some point it got fixed but I have no idea why. Of course it was a few months before I moved out
ygra
Google can cheat a little, especially for new roads since they notice when someone is driving over it. When there was a redesign of an intersection near here, someone marked the road as completed in OSM maybe half an hour after it was opened (we have a few quite active mappers), and Google had it open about two hours later and I suspect no one changed the data directly.
TeddyDD
Great app. There is also https://every-door.app/ that gives you slightly different set of tasks and allows you to place POI easily. I recently mapped a lot of trash cans and benches around my neighborhood while walking with my dog.
Ajedi32
StreetComplete lets you place trash cans and benches too (among other things) using the "Things" overlay. IMO Every Door has a much more complicated UI, though it's also more of a full featured editor than StreetComplete. (Though still less so than something like Vespucci.)
progbits
Thank you!
Is that a new feature? I have over a thousand contributions on StreetComplete (casually using it during walks) and somehow I never noticed that button.
ygra
The overlays are intentionally a bit hidden, since they're more of a power-user feature and I appreciate that StreetComplete retains beginner-friendliness as a core tenet. But the overlays are indeed awesome for survey-type walks where you just want to make sure that all sidewalks are mapped correctly, or to see which shops are still missing.
Ajedi32
Sort of. It was added in 2023. (https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/5373)
TeddyDD
Each to their own, I use both for different things, I like EveryDoor UI better for placing POIs.
deckar01
The UX is really bad. POI loading is taking 10+ seconds to update, then any zoom or pan reorders the list of locations. Most of the missing info (around me) is just phone numbers and hours of operation, which are boring and should be trivial to collect automatically.
jllyhill
The thing is that the best way to get the phones and opening hours is to walk in person and look them up. Any source for the automated collection is way more likely to be outdated/wrong than what the sign or the person behind the counter tells you. And can also have non-permissive license not compatible with the OSM license.
jorvi
Raw Information cannot be licensed, and I am not sure why OSM sticks to the policy that it can.
Google Maps does not hold the rights to which opening hours Bob's Bakery keeps. If someone entered them from Bob's Bakery their site onto Maps, you are free to type it off of Maps onto OSM. Legally anyway. OSM themselves still hold the policy you can't, so you should adhere to that.
bluGill
Of Google is wrong and you copy that is illegal since wrong things are not facts and thus can be copyright
cwillu
Google's ability to make life difficult for contributors to a project should not be underestimated.
didip
oooo what a fantastic idea. I have always wanted to map as many clothes donation boxes as possible.
ndriscoll
You can do that, little free libraries, water fountains, etc. all in StreetComplete as well.
flaburgan
I am using EveryDoor to contribute to OpenStreetMap. I find the information it allows to add much more useful than the one in streetcomplete quests.
giancarlostoro
Reminds me of when Microsoft released a new Flight Sim, and people immediately started spotting buildings and things that were out of the norm in the game, which in turn started getting reported to OSM for corrections.
https://hackaday.com/2020/08/21/microsoft-flight-simultors-d...
jnpnj
Are there other similar apps to stimulate soft "crowdfixing" ? I'm sure there are plenty of other aspect of society that would benefit from a light way to know where someone can contribute or notify so other can fix things (forest dumps, random trash). Homeostatic apps to ensure our surroundings are close to a good state :]
marking-time
hmmmm .... this prompted me to visit google street view in an area I lived in for 5+ years. When I was there it was a homeless haven. Hundreds of tents and hundreds of people lived there. Now when I go back and look at all the old photo dates, all the homeless have disappeared, as if they were never there. But the homeless were there when I was there.
It's easy to blame Google, but then again they kept a record of what they did and you can see it for yourself.
ivanjermakov
> forest dumps, random trash
Likely you can report such occasions to local authorities via online form. Of course every city/county would have their own.
macintux
My city had a very vanilla, but very useful mobile app for submitting problems like missed trash pickup or dead traffic lights.
Someone apparently decided it needed to be "more modern", making it nearly unusable for quick reports like traffic light problems while I was stopped at the light. Every page was a separate request to a server, slow JS, etc.
They've since improved the flow and performance, but it still asks me for contact information before I can submit it. Fortunately they haven't started server-side validations yet, so I can still submit bogus info.
Just let me tell you your traffic light is out! Why is this so hard?
ivanjermakov
They likely provide plain email you could write to instead.
freakynit
Just downloaded and made 15+ small contributions in the vicinity of my area. Very well built app. Super simple to use. And gamification is top-notch. Recommended.
Cider9986
I naively thought that Duolingo's gamification was for a good cause, helping you learn a language by addicting you, but now I know it's not only an extremely ineffective way to learn a language, but they're an advertising/social media/data broker company, which makes the gamification unethical.
I wonder if there are any other FOSS apps or websites with gamification that are for a good cause, like StreetComplete.
tancop
> an extremely ineffective way to learn a language
thats only if you use duolingo exclusively without things like reading news in the language (which is common unfortunately).
its a problem with their specific design using a weird hybrid of spaced repetition with traditional separate lessons. you only learn a couple words for each section but if they decide you know a word they never repeat it again so its easy to forget.
if they made it harder with more open questions and removed combos/perfect lessons to compensate it would be a lot more effective. non linear with multiple paths would also be great, like you decide you want to learn more grammar so you click on that instead of vocab exercises.
the addictive and social pressure parts are the whole point. its giving people motivation to learn and well designed interactive tools are always better than passively reading textbooks [1]. even the ui is made with lots of animation, colors, positive messages to make you feel good every time you get something right.
if streetcomplete added daily progress bars and fireworks every time your edit gets accepted it would probably have a lot more users. ive actually been thinking about making a new anki frontend with this type of addictive ux. that would be more effective and more general than duolingo but lose some of the features like open questions. would need to integrate a llm to fix that.
westnordost
In my opinion, gamification that makes one addictive is very unethical.
So, any measure that aims at keeping users engaged (as the duolingo icon for example) should be viewed cautiosly.
Also, specifically with apps with which people provide real data, the more they see it as a game, the more the system will be gamed. When users start to guess, without really confirming it on-site, this leads to outright incorrect data.
What's fine, in my book, is to make the experience more gratifying, more "fun". That's probably what you meant, with firework animation etc.. The progress bars however already fall somewhat in the former category.
By the way, edits are accepted immediately. There is no verification step by the community (just like in wikipedia), all the more important it is that people don't start seeing it as a game first and as a way to contribute to a libre map second.
goodpoint
Also Duolingo's gamification is too obnoxious
hexomancer
This is very cool, I wish there was some way to use it on a bicycle though. For example, when moving into a street it could ask (using voice) if this street is paved, and I could answer it using voice too.
Schiendelman
Hi! Is this yours? Would you like help porting this to iOS?
looperhacks
Not mine, but you can check this issue: https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/5421
herrherrmann
Wow, that is one well-documented migration project! Thanks for sharing, I wasn’t aware they are so seriously on it.
pavel_lishin
I downloaded this, and I'm slightly amazed at how much detail there is. What material the utility poles are made of?
ivanjermakov
My favorite one is smoothness, I find it very useful when building cycling routes.
hirako2000
One thing missing on osm is pictures. Would defeats Google maps if it had some, where users would feedback and bad shots would get wiped to save space. We would get the best shots the world has to offer.
maelito
In the app I'm developing, cartes.app, we acknowledged this lack of pictures.
We show local Wikimedia common pictures, osm tag pictures, og:image pictures of the website if any, Wikipedia article infobox pictures, Panoramax for street-view, and last but not least, any picture dropped by an ATproto place review.
Lots remain to be done, especially building the latter community of reviews.
edent
OSM does have a pictures layer.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Panoramax
I use https://mapcomplete.org/ to add images of artworks to OSM objects.
lapetitejort
I had been using mapcomplete to add images of artwork, which in turn used panoramax. However I saw someone else use Wikimedia Commons, and to me that makes more sense. Wikimedia ties into more systems, so if you wanted to create a Wikipedia page about an artist, there will be readily available images to use.
On the flip side, panoramax can be used as an open source StreetView. Different sites for different purposes I suppose
ygra
Wikimedia Commons also requires more up-front work by the uploader to categorize the image properly, which can be daunting if you're new to how things are organized there. But yeah, for well-known objects, adding Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons links can be awesome and there are plenty of apps making use of it to show additional information.
jllyhill
There are ways to add pictures as the tags of the OSM objects
- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons
- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:panoramax
- https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:mapillary
Mobile apps can use this data to either give links to them (e.g. CoMaps) or display them in the app (e.g. OsmAnd)
kelvinjps10
What's the best apps as a Google maps replacement that uses open street maps?
flaburgan
Comaps is great. Works offline. https://cartes.app from France Murena maps have just been released: https://community.e.foundation/t/murena-maps-is-here-in-beta...
maelito
Main developer of cartes.app here. We've internationalised the app. Expect some traces of French but we're working on it :)
But yes, the development force remains mostly French for now. Waiting for more European contributions...
wxlong2000
StreetComplete's trick is hiding the tagging model until you actually need it. Most contributor tools expose the schema too early.
altern8
They should've called the app MapQuest :-)
netfortius
Some more info in an earlier thread [1]
[1] CoMaps – FOSS Offline Maps | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48808928
khernandezrt
Does it have to be a mobile app? Id love to do this when im bored at work but i dont wanna make it seem like im just sitting on my phone.
stndef
I think the reasoning behind this is that ideally you're at the location where you can confirm what you see, instead of maybe referring to older media or from memory.
That being said, I agree with you and would like to see more ways to access the tool!
circuit10
A web app would also make it work on iOS (and other non-Android platforms) at the same time
modriano
You can edit OSM from its main site [0], although there's a much steeper learning curve when using the site (as you have far more freedom and it's not super easy to figure out the standard way to tag some situations).
harvey9
You can edit OSM from their web apps. This is intended to be used in the field but I guess you could use it to find things that need fixing.
petrzjunior
Adding to that: StreetComplete specifically creates only quests for information which must be checked in the terrain like opening hours, surfaces, traffic light sounds. Anything surveyable from maps and other sources should be edited using the web editors. OpenStreetMap iD is probably the easiest to learn.
endymion-light
I really love this - fantastic that it's open source too as would love to contribute. Is there an opportunity to add fresh new sites on this?
ndriscoll
As in can you add points of interest like shops? Yes, there's a places overlay with an add button, and a things overlay for things like benches, bicycle parking, etc. For adding buildings, roads, or paths you'd need something else.
marssaxman
Thank you for the reminder! I got out of the habit of checking StreetComplete since my previous neighborhood was well populated in OSM, but having just moved, I should check it out again.
westnordost
When you are out of quests in your area, check the overlays! (Button to the left of the menu)
jcynix
StreetComplete is cool, fun and useful, yes. And there is its companion app StreetMeasure which makes it easy to add measurements like the width of a narrow street, for example.
Krasnol
I love this tool.
It brought me back to mapping on OSM.
Wherever you are and need to wait for a minute, there are quests to be solved there.
I recommend SCEE for those who are already familiar with OSM mapping or are in an area where the most common tasks are already covered: https://github.com/Helium314/SCEE
jmspring
Is there something equivalent for iOS?
Quot
StreetComplete has been making steady progress on an iOS port over the past few years.
https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/5421
circuit10
It would be nice if they made a web app, that would make it work on iOS but also desktop and every other platform with a web browser at the same time
Quot
I agree! It seems like their work on the iOS app would bring them a lot closer to web app support as well. In the iOS tracking issue, they say the main changes are moving to Kotlin Multiplatform and Compose Multiplatform, which both support web as a target.
westnordost
Well, sort of. That'd be very bluesky. What's closer, actually, would be a desktop version, or rather, a version for Linux mobile like postmarketOS (would run like a desktop app in a JVM, but for a mobile target, the layout and UX wouldn't need to be changed.
jmspring
I'll take a look and see if I can help out. Thx.
tiffanyh
> ANDROID WILL BECOME A LOCKED-DOWN PLATFORM IN XXX
My guess is no because of the developer linking too below (and how it's always existed this way for iOS)
I wonder why this needs to be an app at all, instead of web based.
westnordost
It works offline, for one. A lot of datais kept persistently in a SQLite database.
kls0e
scph1001.bin
Narishma
More like scph1002.bin in this case. 1001 is for SCEA.
crudgen
In principle I like it, what I don't like is that some companies will use the data only for their own benefit / dystopian nightmare mission.
Acrobatic_Road
Every day I take a 2 hour walk and contribute as much data as I can to OSM using this app.
hadi121
This is such a great idea. Are there ever any plans for a web app?
qmacro
I enjoyed the simulated phone screenshots, particularly the choice of House of the Trembling Madness, a great beer stockist and drinking establishment on Lendal in York. I would like to think that the name in the input field is deliberately slightly wrong, ready to be fixed by someone. (It's "House of the Trembling Madness" rather than "The House of Trembling Madness".) Gamification at another level :-)
baumschubser
Just through your comment I found out that they have different screenshots for all their localization settings. Cool!
piebro
If anyone is interested in where StreetComplete is used or which quests are the most popular, you can check out: https://piebro.github.io/openstreetmap-statistics/stats/04_s...
maelito
It's basically Comaps but not open-source, right ?
lisper
Yeah, I actually meant to post this comment in the comap thread. Both comaps and SC were on the home page at the same time.
preetham_rangu
Been using this for my dog walks too. There's something oddly satisfying about turning a boring loop around the block into "wait, does that bin have a lid?" Never thought trash cans would be the thing that got me into mapping.
santiagohzszmex
Muy bien
I was once on a trip in Åndalsness, one of the most scenic places in Norway. Fjords, mountains, you know it.
On the walk to our cabin, a little outside of town, I was checking something on OSM, might have been just learning to use it and read it (it has some learning curve when switching from G-maps).
To my surprise, I saw a shortcut/walking path exiting from the road we were walking on. Already used such paths twice that day for a nice shortcut that didn't show up on G-maps. But there was nothing there.
I told my friend that I'd like to check what this strange hacker map is showing. When we looked again, we noticed that there actually was a trail uphill, what at first sight seemed to just be a forested hillside.
As we went up, the trail started to be more evident. We climbed for a couple minutes, went past a cabin with no road leading to it (pretty normal in Norway), and a few more minutes after it we arrived at a semi-top, with a big boulder and a picturesque view out from that viewpoint.
Very cool memory on the last day of the holidays, made possible thanks to somebody marking that trail on OSM.