Munder Difflin – Agent harness to run an office of your clones
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Aurornis
mrshadowgoose
In areas of applicability where GenAI to now considered to be good/great, the pattern I've observed is a frighteningly rapid progression from "abjectly terrible", to "middling and mostly more trouble than it's worth" and then "good/great".
Agentic coding and image generation are probably the best examples of this.
There's no guarantee that this trend will be seen with virtual assistants, but if it does, we're on the brink of incredible. Dedicated personal assistants, that actually know and understand one's context and work well together, are unarguably hugely appreciated by those who can afford them.
chaicodes
Hey guys, thanks for putting it here, I am Chaitanya I built Munder Difflin, I am here to answer all your questions(except nylonstrung).
For people who haven't tried it: Munder Difflin is a local multi-agent harness that wraps around your existing claude code and codex subscriptions(we literally support almost all harnesses/coding agents).
Simulations are deterministic, they do not consume tokens, infact most of the users(20K+ in a week) say that it has reduced their token consumption due to a benchmarked memory layer acting as a hive mind called mempalace.
Common use cases apart from coding: 1. Create triggers that runs an live agent with your context(Webhooks, slack, scheduled) 2. Almost any kind of automation for yourself(I make it review PRs, send cold emails with enriched context, manage discord, Send myself analytics about how app is doing on email an end to end AI video production and posting workflow in 1 prompt and then some)
I'd love to hear your feedbacks on it.
bot403
It's interesting but It was hard to tell from a quick read if this was a fun game with LLMs or a productivity tool. You could stand to make that more clear.
andrewljohnson
“send cold emails with enriched context”
What’s the difference between cold and spam?
dist-epoch
How is this different from a Hermes agent? Any major pro? Besides the cute graphics.
And why do you need E2E encrypted comms between your own agents? What is that protecting against? To prevent other agents snooping and maybe getting derailed? Or do you support conversations between agents of different users?
monkeynotes
When you say no code leaves your machine, how does code get evaluated by your LLM of choice? Doesn't Claude see your code when you send a prompt just like it usually does?
sgarlatm
Cool project! I’m still trying to figure out if this sort of thing is the future, or something that the big AI labs will subsume into their products on their own soon. Or something that won’t be necessary in a few months when LLMs get smarter.
jambalaya8
What an exciting project, Chai. Congratulations on your work.
uproarchat
I don't want to contact you for pricing.
JKCalhoun
Does it work with local LLMs?
hmokiguess
when did you launch, how many users you have, and what's the business metrics if you don't mind sharing.
qarl2
don't let the crankles get you down. this thing is delightful.
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aruggirello
I love it!!! But please, change that "GOD orchestrator" label, as a believer, I find it profane and offensive.
ImageXav
This is fantastic. As the little joke I hope it is. Everyone gets their own small disfunctional group, and gets to figure out the challenges of management. You, the manager, are Michael. You know you have to produce something, and you do, but you have no real idea of how. Your diligent agents are Dwight. Overly literal sycophants that are ready to leap to action at your slightest command without any question.
I do think a lot of folk would benefit from the introspection this offers. We've all been given the opportunity to become middle (and middling) managers, and a lot of the challenges we face are those of people who direct. Setting direction is tough. But LLMs are awesome tools.
greenspam
"opportunity to become middle (and middling) managers" or assistant middle managers or assistant to the middle managers
xp84
Insightful. I think I’d do better at this orchestration at this particular stage of technology development if I named all my agents Dwight, maybe with an occasional Creed.
jambalaya8
Not feeling this. Is it necessary to call "agents" by human names? Wouldn't objectives be a safer easier to remember approach to naming? Like, say 'Clips' and 'Seeks'.
joshstrange
Ok, I've been running it for a couple hours and below are my thoughts. Please note that I do find it fascinating even if most of what I'm about to say is complaining about the parts I like less.
- Pipelines, not agents. Roles, not agents. I really don't like the idea of defined agents with their own prompt. I want to define roles and spin up N agents with that role. Furthermore I want pipelines "Plan -> Review Plan -> Approval Gate -> Develop -> Code Review + Fix loop -> QA -> Approval Gate -> Merge -> [Ship]". I don't like the work just bouncing around seemingly randomly
- Settings don't seem to save/persist? Or some of them don't. I couldn't let "Michael" spin up agents on "his" own and then randomly he did it even though the setting was still off. Settings has the normal LLM jank I've seen.
- macOS Notifications are broken, they send for any little reason, and then they don't send when you're actually needed. It's like each agent finishing a round causes a notification.
- Speaking of missing notifications, the _most important_ screen to me is the "Ask Me" tab under "Michael", where they ask questions (more on that later) but there is zero indication that anything is waiting for you. You have to dig into it yourself.
- The "Ask Me" tab is great.... when it works. I've had to unstick agents or answer questions they were waiting on answers for
- Trying to be too cute, it was cute for a minute, now I don't care (and I _love_ The Office). I want a more utilitarian view. I want to see questions, plans, be able to inject new ideas, and a small overview of what each agent is doing. I don't need half the screen taken up with a "game ui".
- Why no clear? I don't understand at all the idea of them keeping context. Maybe I'm missing something and I shouldn't be using persistent agents except for more persistent jobs (like Michael's?).
It's an interesting concept, very "Gas Town", and it make me want to write my own that does more of what I'm looking for but I don't have the time (or tokens) currently to take on another project. My current best approach of herdr+6-10 Claude Code sessions feels like it works better than this and keeps me close enough to the decisions I want to make.
internet101010
I think you and I are cut from the same cloth. Role-based pipelines and coordination with scoped permissions generated at runtime and the ability to communicate is the end game in my opinion, for now at least. Orchestration finally clicked with me when I tried out Gas Town six months ago and I immediately created a system to offload it to the cloud by using a combination of GCP CloudRun + Firestore (for temp file storage and to fill role of beads). Right when I finished ironing out the kinks Anthropic laid down the hammer on how users can use subscriptions and I abandoned it.
Now I am using custom pipeline/messaging control plane that spawns microvms with scoped creds minted at runtime. I had to make my own control plane specifically because everyone is focused on agents with personalities rather than roles and pods of workers. I like everything about Buzz except for that.
chaicodes
Thankyou so much for the feedbacks, I'll pick them up in next few versions. If you try it again in a week or so, you'd find a lot of these issues resolved.
mrieck
Herdr has an API btw - I am using it to build my own agent orchestrator.
I setup a Telegram bot that relays messages to the agent orchestrator that then decides "this agent needs this plugin, this working directory for context" etc to relay the work I asked. I guess it's similar to the God orchestrator.
For pure coding tasks I just want a TUI, but for non-coding work (marketing, content gen, research) an orchestrator has been great.
CodeWithLeo
The pipeline + checkpointing framing resonates. The "ask me" tab needing love is a real pain point — human-in-the-loop approval gates work best when they're surfaced proactively, not buried.
cjmcqueen
Pipelines and roles are a good point.
joshstrange
Some more observations
- It seems like letting Michael spin up things is the prefered pathway instead of defining a bunch of agents.
- The Ask Me really needs some love. The "X/N" display doesn't make sense to me, I started on "5/5" and as I answered the questions it went to "4/5" -> .... "1/5", I'm not sure if the questions were asked in the wrong order or what. Additionally, it really needs some UI improvement for things like when there are options (and recommendations) it should show as multiple-choice (ALWAYS with a way to add an additional note, this annoys me about Claude Code today).
- Why tell the agent you spin up it's not interactive? I really think instead you should hook the AskUserQuestion and proxy that up to Michael and/or the Human directly. I _want_ to see and answer all the questions. Maybe a first pass with an LLM to see if we already have the answer?
- I still feel lost in what's happening and have to dig into agents too often to understand what has been farmed out to them. A LLM-generated summary of their task showing under their name would be nice. The Tasks board is nice but I think it and the "Ask Me" should be global tabs instead of nested under "Michael"
- Triggers seem cool, I don't have a use for them yet but I think this Claw + Agent Harness path is the correct one.
- I keep needing to unstick agents, like Michael, for things asked in the terminal that didn't get put into "Ask Me" or alert me in any way
Semi-related, I'd love some kind of SDK/library to abstract the "control XZY Agent" while being able to expose the raw agent to make writing agent harnesses like this easier. I've been playing with a little agent loop but I often wish I could have it spin up/manage a Claude Code instance and control it (I know it's possible but it's finicky).
doginasuit
I've thought about something like this. When there is a lot of stuff happening at once, it's a mistake to try and communicate it all with text. Agents use tools, reference databases, reference the web, interact with other agents, and spend time processing the information. When you have several agents operating at the same time, communicating what they are doing using some kind of spatial map is a really smart idea.
The office is a decent analog for such a map. Referencing a database? That operation along with processing the information takes a little bit of time. During the interval, have the avatar move to a file cabinet and back to their desk. Have their computer screen change when they access web resources. If they use a particular tool, it can be represented somewhere in the room and used the same way. Interacting with another agent can be similarly represented.
Symbolizing the operation of the agent with movement and behavior is a great way to give an overview. It would support a much richer intuition for how they are accomplishing a task. It wouldn't even need to be a game UI for people who will have a hard time feeling like they are doing serious work while watching what appears to be a game, but that wouldn't bother me.
ethbr1
It is nice to see folks experimenting widely with unique visual representations of agent orchestration, as a consequence of the bottom-up / individual-led development that's driving the industry (inasmuch as it exists yet).
There are folks young enough now that they've never known anything other than "the desktop" (or CLI) as a computing metaphor.
But there's no fundamental reason a metaphor has to be anything specific... it should be whatever is most widely comprehensible and efficient for the problem space.
Espressosaurus
LLMs remade Clippy. This sounds like using Microsoft Bob to manage them.
godwinson__4-8
You are correct this is interesting but it is still quite obviously the wrong UI. For the same reason https://www.gather.town/ ends up being a waste of time.
It's been done before with LLMs. In both cases - human and LLM - trying to "visualize" what people are working on by having a topdown office view is a complete waste of time. It would be like thinking by strolling into a random office IRL and surveying people with their heads down at a random moment you will unlock some great insight.
It's cute. But it's just that. If you want to actually understand some of the things you highlight here there are far more accessible and efficient ways. Like take any data plot or visual graph.
An office is simply the wrong map. It also misses the nature of the joke in The Office. No one is really getting work done. Their work is boring and sucks, no one cares. The whole show is essentially the domino effect of Michael as a rouge agent. They have many scenes where a new character comes in and sees the whole office. It appears normal. Yet after this moment some chaos quickly begins to brew. My point is unless you are planning for a Michael to go haywire, the entire concept of an office is completely uninteresting and tedious. You may as well just use a spreadsheet.
bedstefar
If this dropped just five years ago no one would understand what on earth this software does . In many ways I still don't. Incredible the development we've seen lately, wonder what will stick and what won't?
slashdave
Discovery is part of good design. It is easy to confuse complexity with sophistication.
deadbabe
Why does everyone assume people in the past were idiots? They probably would have figured out what this was for after some critical thinking. Remember those people wrote massive complicated software by hand.
bedstefar
I didn't imply people in the past were idiots, but how on earth would anyone know what an _agent harness_ is, say?
idiotsecant
You're addicted to being mad
x3haloed
This is funny and shamelessly bad at the same time. I have no idea how it's getting so much attention.
flasque-sheaf
The line in updater.ts that has const REPO = 'chaitanyagiri/munder-difflin' polls the original creator's repo every 6h with autoUpdate default ON, and can download and install their code -- that's straight up remote-code path by default.
nusl
This is super cute. I haven't tried it or anything but it's really fun, seems genuinely useful too. I don't really get people calling it cringe.
inigyou
They're thinking it's serious like Gas Town, that's why
ethbr1
Something can be ridiculous and also conceptually interesting / intelligent.
Gas Town was (transparently, directly from the author's writing) a veneer of visual/linguistic flair applied over a conceptually fascinating and well-thought-out attempt to prod gen 1 LLMs (with all their flaws) into infinite, zero-touch agentic loops.
That the author chose to do so with Mad Max-themed animals doesn't validate or invalidate the underlying concepts.
Personally, I'd rather that than some soulless OpenAI / Anthropic / Microsoft / Google / Meta corporate-scrubbed blob of beige, riskless design.
Especially when it was abundantly clear they realized the presentation choice was ridiculous, but the guts were the more important part.
And not for nothing, there's the 'We're not Kansas anymore' utility of the sufficiently bizarre, to cue people to avoid reusing the wrong prior expectations.
E.g. in Munder Difflin: 'Your LLMs are occasionally brilliant but generally stupid characters, not brilliant human analogs'
gruez
>They're thinking it's serious like Gas Town, that's why
It's not? https://munderdiffl.in/#pricing
gverrilla
I don't understand what is this used for. Is my kitty terminal not enough of a multi-agent orchestrator? Genuinely lost.
zuInnp
I guess I wouldn't use it, but I just bought two of the asset packs of the pixel artist instead.
luciana1u
an office of your clones. next they'll add a clone HR department to handle the clone performance reviews, and a clone IT guy who's also a clone and keeps filing tickets against himself.
smrtinsert
Is there something like that but simply a GUI web wrapper around subscriptions and memory layer? I want a web ui. I don't think in terms of these personality types though, my tasks are dynamic. For example, claude can run N agents in one window right now and be accurate about it, so I scope agent by project level.
laptoprabbit
hey neat stuff. I'd actually like the option for the simulation NOT to be deterministic. I don't mind sacrificing 100% of any productivity for this.
1. Pranking: Rejected my PR? I'll put your keyboard in jello. Then the jello'd agent's prompts all get your keyboard is currently in jello attached.
2. Office Romance: Certain agents prefer to work with each other, but can randomly experience entertaining breakups.
3. Dundies style award ceremonies. The titles can show up under their names until the next ceremony i.e. "Hottest Agent in Office"
jstummbillig
It's interesting how many of these projects are trying to model the worst parts of work (the office, the interaction and information messiness) and then automate that with agents.
SquireBuilds
I'm still struggling with setting up long running agents. So far, it's just summoning an agent with a skillset for something specific and then it leaves again. Any tips?
alentred
With so many AI product launches, I don't even understand anymore what's serious and what's a joke.
Collectively many recent product launches look like we are building a big lab to study sociology using British humour, uttering absurdities with a serious look and then evaluating what sticks.
atique29
Reference to the office is hilarious, this might actually get as much work done as Michael did in the show
indigodaddy
Would running this in say a KASM workspace fall within the open source license?
junon
This looks like a tool from Cowboy Bebop.
chanux
Is it just me or do AI made websites tend to be too verbose?
rsoto2
GOD Orchestrator lmao
myaccountonhn
This is cute and fucked up at the same time.
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nylonstrung
This project is cringe and I really hope we see less stuff like this
I do like the embrace of The Office as a theme because it so accurately represents the dysfunction of all of the agent swarms I’ve seen: Different personalities pursuing their own little goals that are all competing with each other in subtle ways that eventually leads a funny collapse of the outcome you wanted.
There’s no denying that LLMs are getting better by the month, but the current wave of LLM office and personal assistants reminds me of the old trend where people were hiring personal virtual assistants from foreign countries to manage their work and interface with people. It seemed like an obvious time saver but every time I interacted with someone’s virtual assistant it felt like I was playing a little game of navigating hidden structures and communication barriers to get the message I needed to the person hiding behind it all. Then there were the inevitable scheduling failings, missed meetings, dropped emails, and other things that get blamed on the assistant. I’m getting deja vu watching it all happen again with LLMs replacing virtual assistants and outsourced teams.
Maybe these concepts work for people who are trying to solo dev and who find it interesting to set up and debug little systems for everything they do, but I really don’t like working with anyone who surrounds themselves with one of these multi-agent coordination systems as an external shell. Keep it to the internal work and maybe it’s fun for some people.