'Never seen this level of objection': Scotland pushes back against datacentres
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rcxdude
ZeroGravitas
Datacentres can in theory reduce bills.
They're a large, mostly well-behaved grid load which lets you spread fixed costs over more units of electricity.
The problems start when they are being built by well connected entities that can leverage their power to simply demand that other people pay more to give them a discount.
Very similar to the shopping around factories do. Usually a factory brings jobs and other good stuff, but you don't get the factory unless you do X, Y and Z in competition with all the other possible locations. That can lead to a winners curse where you're effectively subsidizing the factory and losing out overall if you "win" the auction.
palmotea
> They're a large, mostly well-behaved grid load which lets you spread fixed costs over more units of electricity.
Is that true of AI datacenters? I recently read an article that talked about one that dynamically would spin up gas turbine generators based on compute load.
rozab
And yet here we are, still subsidizing steelworks in England, and Scottish people are paying the cost in their electricity bills.
Scotland's abundant local energy resources should be spent on things that actually benefit Scotland and provide jobs.
comrade1234
They raise your electricity costs and employ relatively few people and send the profits elsewhere.
ndsipa_pomu
Don't forget about water usage (likely not an issue in Scotland), blighting the landscape (very much an issue) and probably discharging pollution into waterways as well as the inevitable noise pollution.
yanhangyhy
why dont they build the datacenters far away from people/village/towns?
rcxdude
More difficult to built, more difficult to get permission, ironically, and presumably the datacenters are planning to employ some people so they'll want to live at least somewhat nearby.
yanhangyhy
but since they have so many objection now. learn from china's approch? https://japantoday.com/category/tech/china-goes-rural-with-d... (from what i learned it should be build datacents far away -> attract people to work nearby, not the other way around)
even it cost more, but still better thant the current situation?
ndsipa_pomu
> build datacents far away -> attract people to work nearby
Probably not feasible if the remote area has no public services. You'd be wanting some people to move to an area without schools, shops, doctors, hospitals etc. I can imagine that appealing to nature lovers, but would they be wanting to work in a soul destroying hyperscale datacentre?
afpx
Too easy to destroy if they're outside of population centers - soon they'll be building them under hospitals and orphanages
cyber_kinetist
Which counteracts with the EU's desire to have any kind of sovereign AI. Guess you have to lose something if you want to earn something...
mzajc
Scotland is not a member of the EU since brexit.
josefritzishere
I think we can just call them AI surveillance centers. This isn't the usual fare anymore.
The irony is, given the UK's single energy market and the bottlenecks moving that energy down from Scotland, building datacenters further south will push up Scotland's energy prices as well, more so than if they were built locally.