Don't Wordle
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gpvos
amiga386
12935 -> TIZZY (5625) -> OXBOW (2674) -> GRUFF (858) -> MAMMA (195) and I'll let you guess the rest but my next choice left 43 words, and I survived with only 4 words possible.
The rules not letting use a letter you know isn't in the target word drastically cuts your choices, your best bet is to use as few unique letters per word as you can, and as uncommon letters as you can, but as all normal words need vowels you'll be forced into only picking a vowel from the target word soon enough. Try to find letters that are in the word as late as possible so you're not locked into having to use them.
Once you are forced to use letters from the target word, avoid placing them in the right place. Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA), and a rule for not letting you put a known letter in a place you know it doesn't go (so after MAMMA, you can't have HALVE because you know there's not an A in second place, nor ALPHA because you know there's not an A in fifth place).
SkiFire13
> Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA)
This is not entirely correct (or at least it's worded a bit weirdly).
If you know that A goes in a certain place you can still try a word using A more than once. It's only once you know that A does not appear twice (because you tried a word containing A twice, and the second A way gray!) then you can no longer use A twice.
In your case you tried MAMMA which contained 2 As and the second one gave you the information that there's no second A.
gpvos
Are there no words with the same letter three or more times?
amiga386
The best I could do with today's word, and the wordlist, but no scoring function to minmax the rules:
- FUFFY (8159) (shipping of Faith and Buffy from Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
- IMMIX (4544) (to mix or blend)
- ZOCCO (2142) (low plinth, from the Italian word for sock)
- QAJAQ (530) (alternative form of kayak)
- TRATT (155) (clipping of trattoria)
- KHAPH (7) (alternative form of khaf, the 11th letter of the Hebrew alphabet)
I get the feeling that if this game had 7 steps instead of 6, it would almost always be impossible.
Lerc
I had two word possibilities left at the end, so it's possible.
gowld
> Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA),
That rule doesn't make sense.
What if the answer is AORTA, and you want to guess ALBUM and then ALPHA?
amiga386
The sibling comment pointed it out; MAMMA is revealed with one yellow A and one grey A, meaning it has told you there's only one A. If the answer was AORTA, then both As in MAMMA would be yellow.
dylan604
> If the answer was AORTA, then both As in MAMMA would be yellow
Why would the last A be yellow and not green? It's the correct letter in the correct location. MAMMA should be gray, yellow, gray, gray, green.
Angostura
If you enjoy clicking things you can spend hours in their cookie consent boxes untickinv the several hundred individual ‘legitimate interest’ tick boxes for individual vendors
wlesieutre
Only hundreds? I ended up on Thingiverse by accident yesterday it’s
RESPONSIBLE USE OF YOUR DATA
We and our 1022 partners…coldpie
It's your browser's job to protect you, not the website's. There's no guarantee that a "reject all" button does anything, anyway. Instead, just dismiss the banner however and clear the site's cookies in the browser when you're done. On Firefox, you can clear your cookies in 3 clicks, use the little button on the left side of the URL bar and hit "Clear cookies and site data" and then Confirm.
pyrale
Cookie consent usually also covers fingerprinting. Clearing cookies won't protect you from that, not giving your consent may in some jurisdictions.
coldpie
Has that ever been enforced? I don't see any real reason to trust that clicking on a div actually does anything.
tedmiston
*browser extensions' job
thi2
No reject all button means a closed tab.
gear54rus
Ublock seems to work with this one.
dec0dedab0de
Yeah, I didn't even see the popup
flexie
We are asked to allow hundreds of cookies, not just a few, to play the game.
Madmallard
yes top of hacker news and loaded with tracking information and a popular game so likely to garner lots of attention
inigyou
What website isn't?
The most shocking part is that Americans care about appearing to follow GDPR, for some reason. For example, HN blatantly doesn't comply and doesn't plan to.
snowwrestler
There are now some U.S. state laws that impose requirements for notice and consent.
VonGallifrey
> HN blatantly doesn't comply
What about HN doesn't comply with GDPR? It does not seem to have tracking cookies.
masfuerte
Apparently they won't delete your old comments if you ask them to.
I'm someone who goes to somewhat absurd lengths to avoid tracking, but HN's policy doesn't bother me because I know the data exists elsewhere and deleting it here won't make a jot of difference to that.
tialaramex
I'm not entirely sure they'd need to comply. The question is what the purpose of the data being collected was, but seems to me that if you emphasise the whole idea that this is a conversation (which HN does in several ways) then actually "We don't delete comments" is defensible.
If I'm reading a thread about a problem I'm having in a video game on Reddit and it goes "This is very frustrating because I can't get a rabbit to teleport", then a reply which is [deleted] and then "Oh! Thanks so much, I'd never have figured that out" I'm in exactly the same place as the original poster, but now with the additional agony of knowing that there was a correct solution and that it's hard to figure out what it is - ugh.
inigyou
Right to be forgotten is part of GDPR even though most people only think of cookie banners. There's no one-click export, either.
awsglkhj
That's cute. Your records are yours. Barring some agreement to the contrary, I have no right to mess with them or inspect them, even if they contain information about me.
gpvos
That's an interesting opinion, but EU law says the opposite.
tialaramex
Like most of the GDPR "Right to be forgotten" is not an absolute right. As you'll quickly discover when you insist that the bank needs to "forget" that you owe them a lot of money, there are plenty of legitimate reasons they can decline to "forget" you despite your invocation of a "right".
markkat
Nice. I play Last Word daily.
https://dragonfjord.com/lastword/
It's the same goal, but everyone starts with the same word each day, which does not include any letters in the "last word".
No undos in Last Word. My average is 8.7 letters. Really hoping to get it to 9.
rylando
Well this sure makes Wordle feel a lot easier!
whoisnjogu
and I still can't believe it took me more than 3 guesses
hollylawly
Of course the one time I get it in 2 guesses is in this version
bonzini
Got to the sixth attempt, 2 words remaining, of course I picked the right one.
stavros
I picked the right one out of twelve.
amiga386
Having 12 options possible on the last guess is actually very good.
stavros
It was only my last guess because I lost :P I had three remaining.
Murfalo
* 12974
QAJAQ 1979
PZAZZ 861
OBANG 449
URARI 232
FLAFF 58
DWALM 10
NikolaNovak
Like it, but would love a "No Undo" option, or at least, "don't force undo".
My friends and I share our wordle results daily. Would like to add this, but so that if you guess in three or four tries, that's OK, that's just your score for the day. Right now game forces me to undo if I have reduced option space to fewer words than there are remaining guesses, and that's quite annoying for how we'd want to play :)
grocery_stores
One thing I find odd about the rules: it forces you to respect what you've learned via green or yellow tiles, but not gray tiles. The spirit of the rules suggests once you've learned a letter is not in the word, you shouldn't be able to reuse that letter. Perhaps that would simply make the game too difficult, though.
kevsim
It didn't let me guess things that had already been eliminated with gray tiles.
pbronez
It does - you can type them but it rejects the word when you submit it.
I think this DOES make it way harder than regular wordle.
ChrisRR
Isn't that rule 3?
steinvakt2
Cool. Surprisingly difficult. I made an art game inspired by wordle some years ago. My dad and I still play it daily. https://artle.eu
nullzzz
The ads, the banners. Immediate exit.
theideaofcoffee
Do you even adblock, bro.
rhplus
I sense this is not winnable for all Wordle dictionary words. Is that provably the case?
jamesforestwest
Funny idea, it turned out to be a bit more difficult than I thought
noahlt
This is a great demonstration of why Wordle’s Hard Mode is actually easier.
stanmancan
My problem with hard mode is it leaves a lot up to luck. If it was 3 letters and ended in “at” it could be pat, mat, bat, hat, cat, rat, sat, etc. so all you can do is to pick one and hope for the best.
lucideer
I tried playing this as if its wordle & got it in 2 guesses. How do they do this ??? That's next to impossible in wordle & the probalities seem like they should be the same?
tedmiston
By playing Wordle well, you are essentially eliminating as much unknown words as possible each turn, e.g., SALET alone takes 12974 words down to 34 here today.
But this is like Wordle hard mode with the forced letters, so the optimal strategy is probably to invert and eliminate as little words as possible each turn.
I got pretty far here using weird words, but PIZZA turned out to be a terrible first guess for Don't Wordle (eliminating ~75% of the words):
* 12974
PIZZA 3169
AQUAS 290
SAWED 17
MEASE 7
LEASH 0lucideer
Wordle hard mode (which I play) generally limits you to a similar degree as this game - it's less strict programmatically, but anyone willingly opting into hard mode is likely following the same rules as are enforced here.
So it should be the same.
(assuming here that you're deliberately attempting to lose this game).
quietbritishjim
I think you really did just get lucky. It does pick a word up front at the start.
f2474l
The game is cheating I guess
huhtenberg
Some of the suggested plays for yellow EA and green H after the first guess:
ALMEH
BEKAH
BELAH
DEASH
OBEAH
SELAH
pimlottc
And yet it didn’t accept JORTS :/
MarkusQ
I can respect finding JORTS unacceptable.
mryingster
Dang it. I accidentally got the word in two!!!
tfrancisl
Clicked expecting commentary on why playing NYTs wordle, and perhaps other games, was problematic for some reason. Found a game instead.
netsharc
I'd enjoy it if the rules with some graphics are displayed near the game, for newbies.
e.g. show a word with some green letters and that they have to be in the same spot in the other word. e.g. FUBAR with green B -> __B__
FUBAR with yellow R -> RRRR_ (with gray background and white R to signify "has to be placed somewhere here")
And for the gray letters, I guess.. show them next to the _____ in a trash can?
embedding-shape
This is amazing, and incredible difficult (or I'm terrible), after ~10 minutes I can't even get in a third guess!
theanonymousone
I hope NYT lawyers don't come for you. They did for many other variants of this. Maybe reconsider the name?
lugao
Do they go after people using similar names or just any game with similar mechanics?
xigoi
IIUC, game mechanics are not copyrightable.
mh-
Just the trademark, that I've seen.
thomastjeffery
Unfortunately, my goto starter word is 4 green letters.
It's pretty frustrating to immediately lose, and then have to undo to find out what the word was.
MDTHLN
This is quite fun, but I can’t believe the amount of cookies it wants to set!
whstl
I had my ad blocker turned off temporarily and it was a strange experience.
Folcon
Is the word list complete?
I tried WEIRD and it rejected it as not a word
zabzonk
that "i before e except after c" rule often gets taken too seriously
bigfishrunning
i think it's kind of beautiful that weird is a weird word
hnlmorg
Isn’t there more exceptions to that rule than there are examples where it’s correct?
xigoi
Only if you forget the final part, “…when it sounds like ‘ee’”.
MarkusQ
Yep, at least on most static word lists.
It's a fun exercise to try and improve the rule by extending it compared to just switching to "E before I".
LuminousWzrd
Oh I've messed that one up before
senfiaj
You can use hints, after that I could find the right sequence
trash smash abash gnash quash clash
HelloUsername
(Un)related; does anyone know where to play the non-NYT Wordle version?
teach
The original version of Wordle was purchased by the NYT and then Josh took down his copy, so there's no canonical "non-NYT" version anymore.
dec0dedab0de
I'm sure someone has the original saved somewhere, I had it on an old work computer.
luciana1u
finally a game that respects that I already know all five-letter words and would rather be told not to use them
mda
I see that terrible cookie permission window (62 legitimate interest) and I close the window,
doctorpangloss
Legitimately a much better game than actual Wordle.
lugao
It is too hard to be fun :P
intrasight
What does "you have already eliminated the letter T" mean?
codechicago277
You already guessed a word that had a “T” in it, and the game confirmed that “T” is not in the word. So you can’t guess another word with a “T”.
astura
The word doesn't contain the letter T.
It means you previously guessed a word with T in it and it wasn't marked at green (correct spot) or yellow (word contains letter in different spot).
JoshTriplett
Disappointing that this seems to only be a "daily" game, and not have a "just play" mode that uses random words. First thing that I look for with any game that presents itself as "daily" is "where's the non-daily mode".
phren0logy
Be happ-ole? (Insert whistling)
massimodeluisa
Ahahhaha funny! xD
burnt-resistor
The goal isn't explained clearly and simply enough.
pasc1878
The goal is to get mony from clicks in "legitimate interest"
What is legitimate here. You and the site why does any third party have an interest?
tantalor
(meta comment) the chit chat about cookies is off topic and pointless
It took me a minute to find out that I needed to close the instructions to see the actual game. A Play button would have been nice.