US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"
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mbmbn
You literally have a branch of the Democrat party with elected officials claiming they want to “seize the means of production”.
angoragoats
The name of the party is the Democratic Party.
I am aware of Mamdani using that phrase approximately 5 years before he ran for NYC mayor. Who else has said that?
iamnothere
And another branch (Third Way) publicly discussing how to undermine them.
leonixyz
Being far-left is now officially terrorism. Now they will start move the bar one step at a time, one organization at a time, to cut off every political movement that does not align.
swed420
It actually was declared a year ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSPM-7
And a bit rich that it mentions its reasoning included the Kirk assassination. Kirk was starting to make noise about the Epstein stuff, so Trump personally called him and told him to knock it off. Shortly after he was assassinated.
itsprobablyok2
>Being far-left is now officially terrorism
Just like being far-right was. Wow, who could have seen this political war coming?
People also complained about insider trading for years (Pelosi), and that the president was too old and pardoned everyone (Biden).
Well, Trump is doing it all to the extreme. Now people are concerned.
Timon3
IMO this comment perfectly exemplifies the process that advances society's slide towards fascism:
> Just like being far-right was.
This is simply not true. Just like so many lies repeated ad nauseam by the right-wing media machine, it has convinced a huge part of the US population that the opposition genuinely wants to hurt and destroy them, so now they have no problem with doing the same to them. A terrifyingly huge portion of them is actively and gleefully applauding every time their sides manages to "own the libs", right down to citizens being shot while exercising their rights.
If you look back at Nazi propaganda against Jewish people, it's the same pattern. They convinced their followers of so many terrible things this minority group is doing just to hurt and spite "the common man", until said followers were ready to do all those things to them.
When a vice president tells people that minority groups are eating pets and him literally admitting that it's a lie doesn't dissuade his voters from believing it to be true, you have all the ingredients necessary to enable the next Holocaust.
192976
Will they be invited to the White House in 10 years like this "Global Terrorist" was?
https://2009-2017.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2013/05/209499.htm
Jolly good fellow.
BLKNSLVR
Nice to know these guys exist, might have to make use of some of their services.
austin-cheney
They really don't have to call a group far left or far right in their justification, because it sounds like weak credibility in search of social support. They could just call them a criminal organization seeking directly, or indirectly, to contribute to violence for political ends, which does not sound like the case here.
bix6
But if they label it far left then they get to rile their idiot supporters up.
tumetab1
> They could just call them a criminal organization seeking directly, or indirectly, to contribute to violence for political ends
Most jurisdictions will prosecute you under terrorism laws for that.
The "adjectives" (far-left) are there just explain to the public what kind of terrorism they are talking about.
vkou
How is a newspaper calling for war, or a billionaire sponsoring a warhawk not meet the same criteria?
beej71
> because it sounds like weak credibility in search of social support
And it works!
UJ-FLD-ScrTr
From a European perspective, one has long wondered what this government actually considers NOT to be terrorism. The violent storming of a national symbol of democracy is clearly not one of them.
This doesn't exactly make one want to spend their next vacation in the USA – even though, admittedly, we have our own problems here.
lenkite
> From a European perspective, one has long wondered what this government actually considers NOT to be terrorism.
The definition hasn't really changed regardless of the U.S. President: If you kneel to current U.S. Administration policy, then you can be a mass-murdering, torturing, rapist head-chopper and you will still be a "good guy".
If you object to whatever the current US policy is and are small fry, then you are a bad terrorist begging to be eliminated by the American Military Machine. You become a valuable elimination target of US intel/war-corpo investment.
deaux
"I am a freedom fighter, you are a rebel, and he is a terrorist."
Going against the US regime means you're a terrorist. If you instead bomb a "terrorist nation", i.e. "a nation not aligned with the US regime"'s schoolgirls, you're a freedom fighter.
dormento
A freedom fighter, a rebel and a terrorist walk into a bar.
They're all the same person.
(How long till the world declares the US a "terrorist nation"?)
wmeredith
> one has long wondered what this government actually considers NOT to be terrorism
Anyone willing to line their pockets, it seems.
red_admiral
Terrorism has always meant the other guy's goons, as opposed to my freedom fighters.
TitaRusell
America is one of the few countries that honor their traitors with statues.
Arodex
>This doesn't exactly make one want to spend their next vacation in the USA – even though, admittedly, we have our own problems here.
Don't worry, Trump and Musk will export their model to Europe. They guys and gals who were easily bought by Russia when it had money will very gladly side with the richest and gaudiest men on Earth.
tialaramex
The American Right are spending a surprising amount of resources on fucking over Europe. Once piece of good news about a future US economic crash is that there'd be no money left to do that. After Elon gets a tax bill from a new progressive administration whose answer to "You can't tax your way out of America's problems" is either "Well lets at least try" or even "If the effect is just to get rid of the billionaires we're OK with that too" your local racists may find he's too distracted to wire them some more cash for their antics.
But maybe that's just wishful thinking, it's not as though there weren't fascists about, they just didn't have the same funding before.
amarcheschi
>Their claim about Rose City Antifa seems to be false, however, conflating Rose City Antifa with another project called Rose City Counterinfo.
Can't make it real
tim333
The article seems misleading implying it's due to the ""collective’s “far-left” politics"" which seem odd as far left isn't illegal.
If you look at the govt announcement it cites:
>multiple high-profile instances of breaking into defense infrastructure and British military installations, and causing millions of dollars’ worth of damage to military equipment. Palestine Action has promoted its violent, criminal, and terrorist acts on social media, encouraging the use of similar tactics internationally, including within the United States and along the U.S.-Mexican border.
and the like https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616
So it's breaking in and destroying stuff which is illegal, not the far left.
lesostep
The problematic thing is the implication that holding a similar view automatically makes you a part of the same organization.
Terrorist groups are more traditionally defined as an organized groups that use terrorism as a military tactic to achieve their goals.
noblogs.org never used such tactics nor supported them.
If we call anyone a terrorist, if they have at least one view similar to those who did terrorist acts, we only need 2 quite specific terrorist acts to cover all earths population.
tim333
The action is against Autistici Inventati, not noblogs. The govt argument is
>Autistici Inventati [...] exclusively provides its services to vetted individuals, collectives, and groups it perceives to be aligned with its ideology, including to sanctioned terrorist organizations...
deaux
Right, so after already ramping up mass surveillance to the level of China [0], now the gap in freedom of political expression gap is also rapidly closing. Soon, there will be no gaps left, and it will just be worse in every single way imaginable. Until that day though, people will just keep pointing to those remaining gaps, one at a time. So that they can conveniently be taken away.
If you're not American, and have even a shred of moral fiber left in your body, I really recommend you don't come here. What awaits you in terms of Silicon Valley jobs is a choice of AI labs, AI wrapper startups, and Andreessen Horowitz-funded startups; this is 99% of fresh SV jobs. Beauties like Flock, Toka (hacking security cam footage), Doublespeed (AI influencer account botting), Civitai (30k deepfake models of real women), Cluely (cheat on everything), Coverd (betting on your bills), Cheddr (TikTok of sports betting), Ex-Human (have "adult" chats with bots mimicking underage celebs), and another hundred or so of such lovely products. All of these are a16z backed, and their tendrils are in every SV company out there. Stay in your country. If you're too thirsty for money to stay but still have some morals left, go to China, they're pretty much single-handedly driving the only thing left that gives humanity a chance of avoiding extinction; the transition to renewable energy.
[0] https://www.npr.org/2026/03/25/nx-s1-5752369/ice-surveillanc...
notwatching
You lost me at the "morals" and "go to China". a) have you ever worked there and b) did you forget what you wrote in your very first sentence?
__MatrixMan__
Or do come and start something new. Something meaningful. Show us how to build things that don't hurt each other, because we appear to have forgotten.
thrance
You can't fix capitalism from the inside...
__MatrixMan__
And how would you fix it from the outside?
Besides, it's only capitalism of you take on investors. You can charge money to solve a problem without summoning the demon.
physhster
a̵n̵t̵i̵-̵a̵n̵t̵i̵fa is just fa, no?
wmeredith
No. Just because I am not against people golfing, does not making me a golfer.
morkalork
If you're hunting down and prosecuting anti-golfers for their beliefs then you're at least a golfer-sympathizer. A golf club licker if you will.
sigmarule
It makes you okay with golfing, or not care enough about the impacts and implications of golfing to form an opinion.
It's like they say: if there is a golfer at a table and 10 other people talking with him, you have 11 golfers.
Arodex
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
wl
Assuming this is a serious question: There are people who are not themselves fascists who object to the direct action tactics (read: violence, vandalism) sometimes employed under the banner of "antifa."
MSFT_Edging
It's always curious to me how property damage weighs the same or worse than violence against real humans.
I've had people tell me with a straight face that broken windows make one group just as bad as the group threatening violence based on ethnic lines. I don't get it.
SpicyLemonZest
If someone were to come to my workplace and smash a window, for example, I think it's pretty fair to interpret that as a threat that they might smash the people working there next.
__MatrixMan__
These people are easy to find. Listen for people who are acting like a hero because they boycott Amazon or some other with-your-wallet kind of activism, and suggest nonviolent sabotage. They clutch their pearls so hard, each becomes a tiny neutron star, and you can then triangulate their position in real space based on the gravitational waves from those collapses.
wyre
Yes. Or pro-fa.
woodpanel
Judging from noblog's opening statement of "connecting radical people" together with a welcoming bomb, I'd suspect they are very welcoming to open, peaceful discussions, particulary with those holding opposing views.
> "When fascism returns, it will not say, 'I am fascism.' No, it will say, 'I am anti-fascism.'" – Ignazio Silone
impure
If you had any doubts about digital sovereignty or leaving the USD movements...
zombot
Never heard of them before. Streisand effect.
samueljjlopez
Cool.
So this is the US government acting at the behest of neonazis: " According to one anti-fascist research group, “Some of the most well-known NoBlogs sites belong to researchers who solely report on far-right hate and radicalization, never doing anything aside from showing you what exists.” " in their newest crusade generally championing the concept of fascism (which is what you get when you declare yourself anti-anti-fascist, as should be immediately evident to anyone with the ability to follow basica boolean logic).
Cool, cool.
_bent
sounds anti free speech to me!
watwut
No, it is pro free speech. It is only when you censor or insult or criticize far right that free speech gets in danger.
nojvek
United States of Soviet America?
bediger4000
Where is the NRA in all this? I mean, the NRA and their acolytes have spent about 40 years insisting that private armory ownership is the last defense against an authoritarian government overreach. Here we are, this is the overreach. Are the US' well-regulated militias gearing up as we speak?
duxup
They don't really care about any of that. The NRA has been a slush fund for it's leadership for a while.
krapp
Who do you think most of the NRA members and gun owners voted for? Their definition of "authoritarian government overreach" is "A Democrat is in the White House."
>Are the US' well-regulated militias gearing up as we speak?
If they are, it's because ICE is looking for recruits.
woodpanel
here's the official state department's statement: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...
woodpanel
According to that, they provided services to the guys that cut off parts of Berlin from the power grid, that caused 1 fatality.
IANAL but the common understanding of the situation would be: You can't as an ISP prevent malicious actors from using your service, but you do can assist the government - in this case the German - to hand over the data to help assist law enforcement. If state-department's claims are true, did noblogs.org do so?
amarcheschi
In italy they were even arrested but always cleared of what they were accused. I don't believe the US gov did a better job investigating them either
shevy-java
I think it is the reverse situation - the US government is a global terrorist. Canada noticed this too recently again, when the USA tried to sneakily put in abusive clauses that would take advantage of Canadians and put them as second class citizens in the new trade agreement. Trump acts as a mafia and now we know that "The Art of the Deal" is a mafia slogan.
SlightlyLeftPad
“They are either the hero or the victim, but never the perpetrator.” - Narcissist ethos
“Narcissism has more in common with self-hatred than with self-admiration.” - Christopher Lasch
“The four core pillars of narcissism, as defined by clinical psychologist Dr. Ramani Durvasula, are a lack of empathy, grandiosity, a chronic sense of entitlement, and a constant need for admiration and validation” - America Psychology Association (possibly a global terrorist organization)
frm88
More dark triad because pure narcissicm misses the transactional behaviour and the psychopathy where a clear perception of reality is sometimes muddled.
All three dark triad traits are believed to be conceptually distinct, although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous–manipulative interpersonal style.[8]
Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.[9]
Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulativeness, indifference to morality, lack of empathy, and a calculated focus on self-interest.[10][11]
Psychopathy is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits (CU),[12] and remorselessness.[13]
SlightlyLeftPad
Yes I think most of those boxes are checked. I’m still somewhat fascinated/baffled by the fact that many people seem to paradoxically associate these traits with “good leadership.” It’s a tale as old as time.
bithammerthunde
Reichsfeinde!
forestrywat
More related than dupe, as this article includes a statement from the group being labeled terrorist.
ChrisArchitect
Same discussion. Statement shared over there. No need to split up the discussion.
layer8
I submit that “dupe” is a misleading misnomer if the submission does not link to the same content.
1vuio0pswjnm7
"I submit that "dupe" is a misleading misnomer if the submission does not link to the same content"
Imagine every time you make a submission the same commenter submits a reply with only a different thread URL, no title, no story URL, and the misnomer "[dupe]"
But the story URLs are different, not duplicates
It makes no sense
This site has constant repetition of URLs, topics and comments
It has 250+ pages of active stories at any one time. That's potentially 250+ different discussions
There is nothing in the design to prevent "duplication", nothing in the guidelines, and nothing in the proactive moderation
HN is described as a news aggregator. It should be expected in a news aggregator, users may submit stories by different authors published at different URLs offering different coverage of the same news topics. If the site operator wanted to prevent this for some reason, it could. HN does not
It seems the algorithm actually promotes such stories. Hence this sub-thread
Discussion on HN is generally highly repetitive, unoriginal and filed with meme-like, and sometimes toxic, comments. Many folks complain about it, others might like it. Every user is different. It's not for any one user to determine what any other user should or should not see; readers can make up their own minds
The majority of HN users do not participate in "discussion". They either read the stories and/or the replies. Some might only visit HN periodically. Perhaps they are not following HN discussions, they have no idea what has been discussed earlier and no time to find out or reason to care. The majority of HN stories have zero replies, i.e., no "discussion". It stands to reason that some users read the stories, i.e., the news, irrespective of "discussion". Upvotes on these stories are potential evidence; unless these users are just upvoting titles
Alleged "duplication" of discussion is irrelevant in these submissions because there is no discussion. Stories are not just "discussion topics". They are news, for readers who are interested in reading news
Finally, (real) duplicate URLs are commonly found in submissions that never get labeled "[dupe]". These are explicitly allowed on a discretionary basis. The "[dupe]" tag is inconsistently applied and cannot be relied on
ChrisArchitect
Yeah, every time, because you know what you're doing.
Nothing to do with the urls, but the duplicate discussion topics. The site in fact does not have constant repetition of URLs, topics and comments (within similar timeframe). 250+ active discussions. All unique.
Stuff moves pretty fast around here and you can miss it. It's more about keeping things fresh and not repeating discussions over and over. And additionally stopping some of us from having to see the same story over and over.
Nothing in the design because that's what mods are for. Mods, and submitters looking out for the well-being of the site!
Your repeated submissions amounted to spamming the same topic while most coverage brings nothing new to the discussion that warrants a separate thread. Why split up the conversation only to have it all duplicated and impact the 'freshness' of the site with discussions already had hours to days earlier?
If you've been around enough it's weird that you're not clearer on this. Striving to keep the feed fresh and discussion together helps us all, you could do better to contribute that way.
josefritzishere
Hitler would have said the same.
vrganj
See also: The Münchener Post and the SA raid on its headquarters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchener_Post
History doesn't repeat, but it sure rhymes...
heyitsmedotjayb
First they came for the communists
jmclnx
>Of course, Donald Trump’s successors could keep repressive policies like this in place, much as Joe Biden did.
This proves once again who runs the US Gov, it is not the voters but the ultra-rich.
mindslight
For voters to actually be in control, they would have to do straightforward things like reject the obviously terrible destructionist candidate in favor of the milquetoast corpo stooge. I would love to say it's as principled as "I chose the wrench" from Good Will Hunting. But from everything I've surmised it's that mass media propaganda is really strong - most people simply can't fit more than one thing in their head at once. Focus them on how bad A is and they will eagerly choose B all day long despite it being clearly worse.
A long time ago I had the realization that the primary information flow in democracy isn't the few bits from each citizen to the government, but rather it's from the candidates/parties to the people making them think they wanted any of the ensuing shit because they "chose" it. And I'd say Grumpism has thoroughly proven that out. The people who used to be your average conservatives are now radical reactionary destructionists, and if you nudge them to ponder their former values they wince at thinking too hard and then get angry at you.
Supermancho
If ranked voting wasn't being outlawed in various states, it might have started the US down the path of tearing down the miserable political duopoly.
buellerbueller
Why is the Trump administration against anti-fascism? </s>
Edit: lol @ the guy claiming anti-fascists are "intolerant" while all of today's leading technofascists are crowing about how empathy is self-defeating. so, we are supposed to eschew empathy, unless it is for fascist ideals? sure, technofascists, whatever you say.
If you’ve wondered why there wasn’t an effective political Left in this county for the last ~60 years, buckle up.